Wednesday, April 11, 2012
The New World Falls to the Old
We are all beneficiaries of European exploration and conquest of the New World. We all experience the luxuries and freedom afforded us as Americans. There is an expression that states, "The end justifies the means" which means that the outcome of something justifies the way in which it was achieved. In your opinion, do you think this is the case regarding European discovery and conquest of the Americas? Explain your answer.
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Yes, I think that the outcome of this case justifies the way that it was achieved. Say the outcome had been that all the Indians, (Inca, Aztec and Maya), had survived natural disasters or the attacks, the way that it was achieved would be very different. I think that if the Indians survived, it would of been achieved in a way that the Aztecs and Incas would of beat the Spaniards in their tribal ways. So overall, the Spaniards would have died in a different way, or that the Indians survived in a different way.
I feel that because of the Americas being found is one of the reasons why we live the luxorius life we do. This is because the people who discovered the Americas, or the people who wanted to find freedom in another land. I think that maybe the brutality of the Aztecs cause us not to act that way to the people around us. I am glad that explorers found the Americas because if they hadn't, we might be living in a whole different hemisphere.
I think it is the case regarding European discovery and conquest of the Americas. If the Europeans hadn't of found the "New World", we might of bee jolly english children talking funny accents. Who wants a life like that. We also could've been living on the strrets instead of our heated houses and luxory (I didn't know how to spell that).Thank goodness the Europeans found America. Also, if the indians had conquered them, that might not have been good. As I said before, we could've been jolly children taalking in funny accents. THE HORROR!!!!
Yes, I think that "the end justifies the means" because if the Indians hadn't been mostly killed off, then they would probably be ruling the world and sacrificing people whenever they felt like it. Also, when the Spaniards came, they ACCIDENTALLY brought small pox, it wasn't intentional or meant to kill the Indians off. I also think that the Spaniards were more sophisticated than the Indians because they had horses(which the Indians hadn't seen before) and sailing ships. Only few Cultures of Indians had a spoken language and girls could not become priests. The Spaniards had a spoken, written, and easily readable language. I think that if the Indian cultures had won, our world would not be the same that it is today.
Yes, I think that the end justifies the means because all of our lives would be so different if the "the indians" had not been conquered. Most likely like Monkey Tongue said we would be living in Europe. Also we would be living when on the other side of the world "the indians" would be killing each other off by wars and human sacrifice. We might not even be living in a free country with the luxuries we have now. In my opinion if "the indians" had not been coquered civilization today would be extremely altered.
I think that in our case "the end does justify the means". Even if what the spanisrds did to the indians was pretty horrible, think of what our life would be like if they hadn't. The tribes would be making bloody sacrifices whenever they felt like it! If the Americans had no assisted the Europeans in WWII, Germany would rule the world. If we hadn't fought in Vietnam, they might rule the world. Without our scientists, many diseases that used to be considered deadly might still be. Also, we might be living in wood shacks dancing and beating on drums while priests performed human sacrifices. That would be gross.
Beach Girl-You said that in Indian religion girls could not become priests. Well, they still can't.
I disagree. What the Spaniards did was so wrong and horrible, they wiped out a whole culture! i ya'll are just focusing on human sacrifice and i agree that that was a little too violent. But, think about it. Spaniards went to war like the incas. Spaniards held people prisoners from war like the Incas did. Spaniards killed prisoners because of their wrongs just like incas sacrificed their prisoners from war. So, when you look at closely, they really aren't that different. They both so strongly believed in their own Gods that they were willing to kill each other. But, the Spaniards weren't being fair to the Incas. They said, Stop believing in your idol and believe in our idol. The Incas refused. Wouldn't you refuse if it's been in you family and ancestors since forever to believe in it? What if someone came up to you and said they would harm you if you didn't stop believing in what you believe in? And then they insulted and destroyed what you believed in with your heart and soul? How wrong was that for the Spaniards to do that? Did you notice that the Incas never threatened the Spaniards to stop believing in their God? I would'nt want to be sacrificing people or living in a different country either but how the Spaniards took over the Incas was horrible. They definitely could've responded with peace instead of violence. The Spaniards could've offered to share a reasonable law with the Incas and reward them with something for following that rule and left their culture alone. There were other places they could've settled. heck, they could'nt settle where the Incas lived because of the smell of dead-rotting bodies, the ones they had killed, murdered! War was never the answer and it never will b. And yet, we continue to wage war. History will repeat. so, in my opinion, the end does NOT justify the means.
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Yes, I think the means justifies the ending because without decimating the Indian tribes we wouldn't have a free country. Also I think that if the Spaniards were to loose I think that we would not have the life that we have now. We would most likely have the same religion as the indians and we would live the same way. Although the means were brutal and devestating the end still came out pretty good. At least for us.
James Blonde 007- you said that girls can't be priests well they can in the opiscabol church but they are nuns in the catholic church.
OOps I spelt Opiscaal wrong it's Episcopal:)
I do not agree, the spanirds came started a bloody war and kills everyone. Now where that area was there are now many thriving countries that still have some spanish and some native. I think these things can regrow and take on peace over thousands of years.
Yes, i think that the end did justify the means for European conquest of America. This is because when the Spaniards came, they had a mission to conquer the Indians. if they hadn't have had this, they might have been overthrown by the warriors and our civalization(I don't know how to spell that) would never improve. if the Indians were never conquered, we would still live a traditional life, complete with sacrifices and bloody wars. In the end, the Spaniards took the remaining Indians and oppressed them, just how they oppressed the people to gain control.
I think the end does justify the means. I think this because everyone is now civilized. In the Mayan civilization, they sacrificed people to the gods. If the gods wanted cultures to survive, they probly wouldn't want people dying for no reason. What the spaniards did was wrong, but you have to admit the Mayans were just as bad. Killing people for religiouse reasons. Not that this makes it any better. Now we know that killing other people no matter what there religion is wrong. There are still killers out there, still wars afoot, so I guess we could be knocked out and have it be just fine as well
Oops I meant to say " no matter what religion it's wrong"
No, it isn’t worth it because the conquest could have been done in a peaceful way. I totally agree with ‘Owl Eyes O_O’ because it is not right to kill people because you disagree with their religion and want their land. How would you feel if someone did not agree with your religion so they killed every one who believed it? It is very similar to WW2 because they killed people because they were Jews. The Middle America Indians where not just killed because of religion but also because the Spaniards were power starved, money wanting people who only thought about themselves. I also agree with ‘Owl Eyes O_O’ because the Indians never forced the Spaniard to believe what they believed.
I would have answered yes to this question if the Spaniards had peacefully greeted the Indians and made an agreement to share the land. I would have even said yes if the Spaniards had been peaceful but also brought disease because you cannot help that. I think if the Spaniards had been peaceful we would still have about the same level of luxury and technology as we do now. Overall I do think that the innocent Mesoamerica Indians were killed in an unfair cruel reason and way.
Owl Eyes,
I kind of agree with you that what the Spaniards did was terrible, cruel, and gory, but without them doing that, the Indians might rule the world. And if the Aztecs were part of that ruling, They would be sacrificing people left and right whenever they pleased.
P.S. Mrs. Howard, sorry I was sick so I forgot to blog until now. Also, I really don;t get what this is asking.
Yes, because no one had discovered the Americas earlier, and the Indians(Maya, Aztec, and Inca) were so rich and down to Earth(as in "Green"), that by the time we got around, there was already wealth and a clean enviroment. When the Europeans arrived, everything was already there.
I am really confused. Does it mean that what happens shows how it was done? I think so. The case regarding the European discovery shows that because the Europeans behaved in a violent manner that the this violence caused all of the Indians (Maya, Inca, Aztec) to die from the problems brought from Europe. It also shows that the people who conquered the New World were very determined and the jewels and such that they stole, came back to us as Americans. Also, if they hadn't found this land, none of us would be alive because all of us come from our ancestors from the east. Again, I didn't understand the question being asked so I answered it best I could.
I also forget to BLOG. I was not allowed on the computer for a little while. O.o
Allstar20,
Nuns aren't priests. Just like the helpers.
I think the end justifies the means because otherwise, we would be speaking some European language, oooooooooooooooor we would all be dead (not that different languages are bad)(GO GERMAN)! Tell me if you want to have your heart torn out, worship the coco pod (it looks like a heart)and actualy WANT to have someone kill you! It's rediculus!
I'm kind of confused. Is this a new unit? Anyways, yes I agree that "the end justifies the means." Just think, if indians were ruling America then we would be sacrificing a life every few days and living in tribes instead of cities and towns. We would most likely not be speaking English, and probably not writing either, unless you write with pictographs. I think tuat the outcome would be COMPLETELY different then the way we live now. I hope that I answered this in a way that actually makes sense.
I know it's late, not to mention late at night, but hey, it's a weekend and I have MAJOR jetlag.
Oops I meant, that, not taut.
Owl Eyes O_O:
I know that I agreed to "the end justifies the means," but I'm almost rethinking my decision, because you put up a really good fight. You did a great job explaining why you didn't agree.
P.S. Once again, MAJOR jetlag, it's 2pm in South Africa.
Exclamation Mark! and Soccer Girle54:)-
I didn't really get what this asking and I was confused.
Oh yeah, Soccer Girle54:), you spelled don't like this- don;t. Oops!
Yes, I think our outcome is justified by the Mayas Incas and Aztecs. I don't know much about the Mayas and Incas, but I know the Aztecs invented hot chocolate and popcorn. They also invented a drug that stops spasms and games such as mancala and soccer/basketball. We benefit so much from these things. I am glad to live in these luxuries, and we owe it all to them.
Yes, the Aztecs suffered moving to an island, and they had no real idea of what to do. But from the hardships came ideas, to make islands to grow crops to save space, popcorn, and hot chocolate. They were one of the most seccessful indian tribes. So yes in some ways, our outcome is justfied by the Aztecs, because without them we wouldn't have popcorn or hot chocolate.
PS. Sorry this is so late
Oh, and I didn't really know what the blog was asking so tell me if I didn't answer it correctly, thanks!
Owl Eyes O_O, I really agree with you, everything the Spanards did was wrong, but there were some unjust things the indians did too.
Sorry this is so late
I disagree. Even though we have a wonderful life, it is never right to kill thousands of Native Americans for no reason. If the conquistadors never came in the first place we probably would have evolved into a culture similar to the one we have to day. We would have made many of the discoveries that are important for a civilized culture.
I feel that this is the case of discovery of the Americas, because the spaniards created a whole new world. Even though, later they lost power of the Americas, so many things have been invented and are a part of the Americas today. I think that it was bad for the Indians, because they lost everything and now most don't exist. Also, if they had not found America we would still be under the harsh rules of Europe, and girls would'nt be able to have a job or show their skin. The men would have to do harsh jobs. I think it is a good thing that the europeans found the Americas, even though many sacrifices were made.
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